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Ten Tips on How to Seduce the Older Gay Man — and Where to Find Him

imagesI’m kind of thrilled that my blog post “Ten Reasons Younger Gay Men Like Older Gay Men” has become so popular (the most popular by far of any blog post I’ve ever written) though I suspect a lot of those people are looking for porn and are likely disappointed once they see I have none on my site. Oh well. . .

So in that vein, those of you who are interested in having an older gentleman in your life must approach the task differently than you would if you were going after another 25-year-old. At the very least you will have more success if you follow some or all of my suggestions below.

Here they are, in no particular order, how to seduce that older gay man:

  • Persistence pays. Really. Those of us over 50 have a lot on our plates, and when we don’t, we’re catching up on other things like errands and binge-watching “Orange is the New Black.” Never, ever think of yourself as a pest — there is a lot of truth to that old saw about the squeaky wheel being the one that gets greased. Keep asking, and don’t give up. Keep. Asking. I can vouch for this one from personal experience.
  • Afternoon delight. Your over-50 man is, well, he’s over 50. There is some truth to another familiar old saying — “old and tired.” They weren’t kidding about the tired part! Especially at night. Your man probably has a lot of daytime commitments and the goddess knows that at this age any kind of beauty rest helps. That’s what I’m saying about “afternoon delight.” Most guys I know who are my age, more or less, really like having sex in the afternoon. Sorry young men, but at midnight we’ve already been asleep in our jammies for an hour or more.
  • Low noise level. Your man is not likely to enjoy a lot of things over a certain decibel level, such as dance clubs where the most fun is stuffing dollars in go-go boy jockstraps (wait, maybe that would work with earplugs) or rock concerts for anybody who got famous after, say, 1980. So he’s just not going to be there; go if you like, but don’t expect to meet him there.
  • Educate yourself on the best online venues. Grudgingly, it seems inevitable that websites and apps will replace some of the “cute meet” of days gone by. Like those days gone by for the entire history of human beings, but I digress – it worked well enough for all generations of gay men up to this one, but for some reason (could it be laziness?) people don’t want to go out in public anymore. So, there are some online destinations better for those over 50. Think Scruff, not Grindr; think Silverdaddies or Daddyhunt rather than Adam4Adam or Dudesnude. And, if you’re looking for someone over the age of, say, 60, I’d eliminate smart phone apps altogether. It’s just not gonna happen.
  • Educate yourself on the best offline venues. Again, forget the loud clubs all the young guys go to. Coffeehouses, art galleries, museums, civic/political gatherings, community college or university extension classes, specific groups that cater to an over-50 crowd (for instance, here in Los Angeles we have the LGBT Community Center, which has a lot of programming for this group; there’s also groups like the California Men’s Gathering, which consists largely of middle-aged to older gay men and those who appreciate them).
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  • Be direct – I can’t emphasize this enough. Older guys who may be interested in an advance from a younger man likely won’t make the first move — why? Because there’s an enormous stigma and the possibility of ridicule looms fairly high here. People are also confused as to what constitutes romantic or sexual interest and what is just friendliness. For those of us over 50, gaydar is also significantly hampered by the younger generations all appearing the same – it used to be easy to figure out who was gay or straight; now, not so much. So if you’re a young guy and you like an older guy, let him know in very clear terms. This will really get things moving along much more quickly.
  • Anticipate his interests: appreciate that he’s been on the planet longer, so indeed may have other interests, which may include things like books, plays, opera, gardening, travel — to just mention a few — or he may have none of these interests. What is likely, though, is that his interests and yours won’t be the same, and he can learn from you, as well as you learning from him. But it’s important to have that willingness and to not expect to like the same things.
  • Cultivate a desire for long lovemaking sessions: it took me a long time to realize that activity between two men where only one of them or even neither of them climaxes is still sex. Maybe not the usual ideal we’re fed in standard porn, but it’s sex nonetheless. Don’t denigrate kissing and cuddling, either. His physical response as an older man will likely be fierce and highly practiced, however it may take a while for that fire to get going. He’s also probably not going to like an attitude of “wham bam, thank you Sam.” Luxuriate in that bliss which has taken a lifetime to mature.

  • Cultivate an expertise in a wide variety of sexual expression. Again, there is that standard porn script which all of us have seen ad nauseam — it all starts with the kiss, goes to oral and ends up anal with someone getting boinked. There’s really so much more, so read up. There’s leather, there’s water sports, there’s rubber, there’s probably a giant list of things even I haven’t heard about at my advanced age. I guess younger people are as apt as older to be interested in lots of different things, I just think of older guys having been around longer and interested in more. But heck, I could be wrong. Read or listen to Dan Savage for awhile, his advice show is illuminating for the variations in people’s sexual tastes. Also, just because he’s older, don’t assume he will be the “top” all the time. His fondest desire may be to be under you on the living room rug being drilled into next week.
  • Finally, resist the urge to know everything. There’s one of my favorite quotes, often misappropriated to Oscar Wilde, but it’s actually from J.M. Barrie, “The Admirable Crichton”: I’m not young enough to know everything. Don’t try to impress him by being an expert on every subject. I’m sure you’re smart and knowledgeable and all that, but no one likes to be reminded of it, and you’ll likely trip up at some point. Regardless, that kind of behavior is obnoxious and you don’t want him to slip away, now do you?

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Ten Reasons Older Adult Gay Men Like Younger Adult Gay Men

Christopher Isherwood (l) and Don Bachardy in the late '70s.

Christopher Isherwood (l) and Don Bachardy in the late ’70s.

For this week, the 10 reasons from the point of view of the older guy in the intergenerational pairing. *

Again, these are reasons I’ve come up with myself from my own experience or anecdotally from things I’ve observed.

So here we go, here are some possible reasons an older guy might seek out a younger adult guy:

    • He’s adorably beautiful: well, duh. The cynics among you will say that this is reasons 2 through 10, as well. Got to admit there is something about that dewy fresh flesh that springs back when you touch it.
    • He’s agreeable: from postponing dinner till nine to having a Diet Pepsi when he really prefers a Diet Coke (cause it’s all you’ve got) younger men can be more easy going. There’s that shrug: whatever.
    • He’s enthusiastic: younger guys will often (if not always) want to do something with a consuming passion! They don’t merely say yes; they’re all in.
    • He’s GGG (good, giving, game) – this comes from Dan Savage and his “Savage Love” sex advice program — he strives to be good in bed, to be giving to his partner, and game to try out something which may not be #1 on his own list (see enthusiastic, above).

  • He’s respectful: By the very nature of finding himself with you, he’s respectful of all the gifts an older person can give to an individual and to society; it used to be that everyone was raised to be that way, these days, not so much.
  • He’s trying to please: I find that this urge to please the older person is almost always part of the dynamic, often unexpected. But I’m not complaining.
  • He’s teachable/nurturable: Oscar Wilde famously said, “I’m not young enough to know everything.” But all twentysomethings are not that way, and often I’ve found younger men wanting to learn things that life experience has already taught someone older. (I was not this way, however, I was young enough to know absolutely everything! Now I’m trying to unlearn it all.)
  • He’s usually more interested in the larger cultural landscape: what I mean is that he often will have interests beyond the narrow diversions of his own particular generation. It may come as a keen interest in winemaking, or opera, or deep sea diving.
  • He’s accommodating: He knows he can’t have everything his own way so is more likely to compromise and enjoy the differences between the generations, and he’s authentically interested in learning about those differences.
  • Finally, he’s trusting, he’s expecting that level of integrity from you because you’re an older, hopefully wiser, person. In our cynical times, that’s a refreshing quality.

Just for the record, I’ll date someone of any (adult) age. It’s always an individual attraction thing for me, and there’s no specific type I’m looking for. Do you (either younger or older) date out of your own generation?

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Dan Savage Slams CNN: Stop Giving Platform to Anti-Gay Bigots

Link to Daily Kos: Dan Savage Pwns CNN:  Stop Giving Platform to Anti-Gay Bigots.

Dan Savage

Thank you Chrislove, for your DailyKos post.

I totally agree that it’s high time we draw attention to this issue and bring it to the forefront of media consciousness – I guess I mean “we” as the smaller media, blogosphere, facebook posters, the less-empowered voices out there, and eventually MSM will pick up on the trend.

One hopes.

Basically, Dan’s argument is this: The MSM media, including CNN, still presents anti-gay positions from bigots on the right as deserving of the same amount of equal time as those espousing equality.
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It’s as if these bigoted hate positions have a validity, the same kind of validity that in the past was granted to those who used religious texts, such as the Bible, to prop up slavery, then segregation of blacks, or justifications for things like restricted communities to keep out those Jewish Christkillers.

In our “enlightened” modern world, such viewpoints against blacks or Jews are unacceptable in responsible media discourse. (Naturally, there are still plenty of people who hold these opinions – now they just keep them to themselves.) What is still acceptable, though, is to present the anti-gay position as valid, even though it too is based on prejudice largely stemming from religion and religious texts.

You can always believe what you want to believe. However, in our country, in which there are no established religions, it’s wrong to use these selective, hoary opinions as the basis for an argument in favor of discrimination. Once again, just because you “hate” a group of people is not a valid reason to discriminate against them in a democracy.

People like the folks appearing in these videos (Maggie Gallagher, Tony Perkins) are particularly dangerous since they couch their hatred of gays in such reasonable sounding rhetoric. Please take the time to watch these videos and read the Kos post – and let’s start calling this out every time we see it.

Thanks again to Dan Savage for calling out CNN – on CNN!

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Dan Savage column exposes religion’s "hidden" homophobia

Link to: Savage Love by Dan Savage – Columns – Savage Love – Dan Savage – The Stranger, Seattle’s Only Newspaper.

Dan Savage

I loved this post of Dan Savage’s in his column Savage Love (which appears in Seattle’s The Stranger). It brings to light something I’ve long felt – that “believers” are somehow given a free ride in this country, even if their religion holds tenets that have real-time negative consequences for groups of people. For instance, the Bible, which condemns gay people in certain areas (along with a host of just about anything else you can imagine) is the text basis for a number of faiths (Judaism, Catholicism, Protestant Christianity of various kinds).

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Well, I just don’t buy that. This is a country of laws, not religion. You have to man-up or woman-up and own what your religion holds so dear, and stop hiding behind the veil of First Amendment rights. And if you are a card-carrying Christian or Christianist or Jew who goes by this book, then you are open season. Your beliefs cause real harm to real people, and I’m going to make you responsible for that.

If you don’t like that, change your fucking religion.

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Some good news: Missing hiker found alive after 6 days in Joshua Tree National Park

Missing hiker found alive after 6 days in Joshua Tree National Park – latimes.com.

Was jazzed to see this good piece of news about Mr. Rosenthal. I’ve taken a few hikes in that park (Joshua Tree) and realized how easy it would be to get lost. I had a mini-panic attack once when I thought I lost a trail, but luckily a car went by on a road in the distance so I could get my bearings. The desert wilderness is no place to be without a good idea of how to get back!
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Best wishes and more hiking adventures in the future for Mr. Rosenthal. This was so uplifting after all the recent stories of gay teen suicides, which are just so heartbreaking. Have you made your “It Gets Better” video yet, and posted it to Dan Savage‘s channel on YouTube?

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Dan Savage's It Gets Better project – make a video

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After the recent suicide of Billy Lucas, popular sex advice columnist and podcaster Dan Savage decided we could do something – we could use technology to let gay kids know they are not alone in the world, no matter where they happen to live.

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I urge you to make a video and encourage gay teens. It only takes a few minutes, and if it helps to save even one life, it’s worth it.

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