From the intergenerational dating realms. . . *
It’s no secret among friends and acquaintances that I’ve often dated men younger than me, sometimes, so much younger (20s, 30s) that I could easily be my adult counterpart’s parent.
The usual response I get from gay men my own age to this is positive; they understand the attraction from my point of view, and many have been in similar situations. Female friends can be, well, less understanding, and in my experience, it doesn’t matter if they’re gay or straight women – they often just don’t understand it (but what do you talk about???)
The short answer to that is, of course, we talk about everything. But wait, what about the younger man? It’s easy to see why an older person would be attracted to younger, in fact, our entire society is based on youth worship! But what about the younger guy? What, in heaven’s name, does he see in the older fellow?
Here’s ten reasons, totally anecdotal, taken from my own life or from what I’ve observed over the years:
- Experience: from the bedroom to the boardroom, older guys usually, though not always, have a better sense of what’s going on. And will be happy to share it with someone younger/not in the know.
- Decisiveness: After a certain age, a man usually knows what he wants or doesn’t want and isn’t afraid to vocalize that. Maybe it’s because we realize we don’t have all the time in the world and don’t want to waste it being uncertain.
- Mature physicality: I’m constantly amazed that there’s so many younger men who are physically interested in a more mature body, whether it be for the hair, the salt & pepper color, a belly, those distinguishing lines in the face — whatever it may be, there are younger guys who specifically look for those traits.
- Money: Let’s face it, some kids are gold diggers. Some older people are, too! An older guy is more likely to be more settled, and a mature relationship with finances can be an anchor during those restless days of youth. In my case, I always tell them I’m a sugar-free daddy.
- Mentorship: A lot of young men are at a loss in terms of job and educational advice. They’re not getting it from home and they’re not getting it from the culture. Many of them may have run up against a homophobic brick wall and have no idea how to approach their future. Older gay men have already been through this and can provide some guidance and perspective.
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- Kinks: OK, back to sex and not only that, but an entire way of looking at things. Lots of younger guys find they like things on a more, um, wild side. Older men are more likely to have worked through whatever issues – homophobic, shame-based, whatever – surround some kinky activities, and again, are happy to share experience and knowledge with someone younger.
- Direction: Some young people honestly don’t know what to do and are happier when someone puts some structure into an otherwise scattershot agenda. Contrary to conventional thinking, total freedom is not necessarily always liberating.
- Home: An older guy is more likely to have a home that he owns or has rented for a long time, along with some of the creature comforts and sense of place that come with that: patio furniture, TVs that work, matching dishes, more than one set of sheets, etc. Not everybody wants to live like a grad student forever.
- History: Older men have the perspective of history from their own lives as well as (most of the time) a knowledge of the gay community and the struggles we’ve gone through from Anita Bryant to AIDS to D.A.D.T. and marriage equality (and a zillion things in-between). This kind of oral history or learned experience is priceless for someone open to learning about it. Finally:
- Daddiness: That quality of protecting and being protected, of nurturing and being nurtured, that feeling that everything’s going to be all right as long as he’s around. That’s a powerful bond wherever it occurs — and has less to do with age than the personalities of the individuals involved.
I’m sure there are other reasons I’ve missed. What would you add?
- For both this and the companion post, I’m referring to generations of adult men (over 18) only.
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Another reason seems to be a psychological need to replace the missing father in the young man’s life. A majority of gay men grew up with either an absent or distant father; whether this is causative is an open question, but it is certainly a common enough characteristic of gay men.
Thanks California guy. I will say that for a number of the young guys I have known well, that characteristic does seem to ring true! All have appreciated mentoring in such areas as work life and education, typical parenting roles or tasks that were not met at home.
I would think so. Because I free up with no dad had a step dad but didn’t seem to be a father . But I meant some boys who grew with no father and they didn’t turn out gay
I am a 48 Australian man and have attracted a 31yo newly out super handsome Ukranian man. I am shit scared to be honest. We met 2 months ago on an app but he lives interstate. I think it’s great because we are forced to get to know each other properly before meeting. I like making friendship the first aspect of a new relationship- not just based on sex. So we skype regularly and talk on the phone and text photos (no not sexting). The thing I find hard is he’s a personal trainer and I am not in my best shape. I have been madly trying to lose some weight knowing I will have to keep up with this fit spunky guy. Its the first time in my life I have felt “old” and I do not like it. I hope I can please him in the sack. Any tips?
Thanks, Nick, for reading the post and commenting. I think I’d just trust that this guy really does want someone your age, who looks exactly like you. If he was interested in another 30 year old personal trainer, there’s no shortage of those around, likely readily available to him. In my experience with younger who like older, they like the entire package – and believe it or not, the body type of an average 48 year old is what he’s looking for – not a typical guy his own age. So that’s really your advantage. Be confident that the way you look today is going to be just the ticket! It sounds very romantic and I hope it goes well! Best to you, Jim
I am 69 and over a year ago, I met a young Italian guy permanently living in America. He has a very good job as a butcher, a home of his own and a new truck. He’s very handsome and told me, when I met him at a gay bar, that he’s more attracted to older guys. We French kissed a lot that night and he wanted me to go home with him. I told him I wanted to get to know him better before engaging in anything overtly sexual. He gave me his phone number and told me where he worked. I went to his work a few days later and he came out and gave me a full body hug. I saw him again a week or two later at the same bar. We kissed again and I wanted to do more with him but didn’t because I felt that when he saw me naked, he wouldn’t want me. In addition, my life is pretty well settled and I’m fine with being by myself and single. I’ve never had a long term relationship and just don’t feel I can even do it now, at my age. Any advice?
I would say this: First, I am green with envy! OK, I’ll get over that. Let’s look at the evidence you presented. He told you he was attracted to older guys. He made out with you, not once but twice. He gave you his phone number and work information, so you verified that he’s self-supporting in an apparently very good way. He’s given you full body hugs. All this tells me he’s very aware of your body and whatever it is, today, whatever shape you’re in, today at 69. is what he’s looking for. If he was looking for a 25 year old bodybuilder Adonis, he wouldn’t have ever met you. I think you should accept that he’s going to love you naked, this is just what he is looking for and desires – YOU! As far as the LTR goes, whoa boy put on the brakes. Take it one date at a time. There’s many degrees of relationship between a one night trick and a lifelong marriage. Enjoy the process – and report back! I want to know how it goes. Jim
I am 64 and have lived with a young man who is now 28 for the past 10 years. I am surprised that he is not with someone his own age. He wants me to share his friends and his adventures.
I provide the emotional strength that he lacks. My sexual experience and openness to his needs and desires keeps his excessive energy satisfied and at peace. And have helped him to accept his sexuality through a long struggle to accept himself.
I am the one friend in his corner, his mentor, his adviser, his comfort zone. And maybe most important the stable adult neither his mother or father have been able to become. I have helped him to become the parent to his 7 younger brothers and sisters. The four in grade school live with us now.
This was not a relationship that I was looking for when he was 18 and I was 54. But rather it was a relationship that he wanted, he nurtured, he sought despite always having had only girlfriends.
I focus first on being his friend. And have accepted that he must make his own choices, including the possibility of a future life partner. As first and foremost I am here to be his friend.
The fact that it has pleasantly been more, is a choice I left 100% to him. My focus always is to be his good and loyal friend.
How lucky this man is to have someone like you in his life! That you met when you were 54 and he 18 is not that different from Don Bachardy and Christopher Isherwood, who met when Chris was 48 and Don 18. I like the perspective I think you’ve kept all throughout this relationship. I’m also happy to hear it can work, and it can be unique to the situation. – Jim (the blogger)
@steve singleton. I respect your actions in that situation. I am also attracted to very much older men. Problem is once they know it they become pushy and arrogant. They expect me to sleep with them right off the bat. You restore my faith in older men.
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I am 80 – nearly 81.
I am fit and healthy physically in all departments.
I have always had younger partners.
What hasn’t been mentioned here is whether things like an assertive top mature man & more passive – bottom younger men is more or less likely? Or if it even matters?
From my perspective – I’m a non versatile- strictly top man, who seeks, more passive, submissive younger men for relationships – giving them guidance and stability over the course of the relationship.
I’m physically attracted to younger men & enjoy their company.
I have a young guy living with me now who is in his early 20’s who has been here for 3 years, and a number of relationships of 3-5year range over the last 20years – all with men below 32.
I maybe the poster boy for sugar daddy behaviour – but I am not rich – and all the men I have been with have gone on to have rich & fruitful lives – heck one is married with children now.
Billy
I’m a 54 years old man and my boyfriend is 25. We both live in Jakarta (I’m European and he is Indonesian) and have had a steadily growing relationship for more than a year culminating in us moving together in our own house now and hopefully soon marriage. I’ve been married twice before in Europe (with women), but during my 10 years here in Jakarta, Indonesia, I discovered and developed my gay-side, and when he came along, he sort of “pulled me all the way over”. No resistance from me. He is the sweetest, smartest and most gorgeous person, I’ve ever met – and the feeling is mutual. We’ve never had any controversy of any kind – our love is just growing day by day.
Actually, he started at a very young age with his attraction for older men – he was ten, and we’ve speculated what would have happened if we met back then. Pure speculation, obviously, as we didn’t, but sort of an interesting thought-experiment. He is an extraordinarily loving young man with a history very different from mine, and our relationship is full of deep conversation and ideas – for example we’ll start his business next week – and I’ll give him all the space and support he needs, as he is extremely capable at what he does. We fit like hand in glove, and none of us has ever met someone that we want so badly in all ways or fit so well with.
In Indonesia being gay is still controversial due to prude religion – that’s not to say that there are no gays here, however 🙂 And my beautiful boyfriend has, indeed, lived a life where denial was part of reality – well, no more – he is home and safe now! Why does he prefer older men? None of us can answer that – but we have, obviously, debated the issue on and on.
Whatever the reason, we cannot wait to put rings on each other’s fingers and live happily ever after 🙂
I love hearing from older guys as to how they’ve lived, so thank you for commenting! I’ve met both younger tops and bottoms, but I agree more of the younger guys seem to want a top that’s older, when it’s a younger man looking for an older one. Best of all worlds in 2017! — Jim, the blogger
If you research Greek history – it was quite common for an older/elderly man to take a young man under his wing – to teach him about culture & life.
The younger men were generally in their late teens – the men 30-60. It is widely agreed – that many of these relationships – often with th blessing of the young mans family, were sexual in nature. Bear in mind – homosexuality did not have the stigma then that it does today.
I have been many a young man’s first time – a privilege & honor that I take very seriously. Allowing yourself to be penetrated – is a humongous step for many young men, questioning their sexuality – more so, from a 6’5″ tall man like me who is endowed accordingly.
The sight of a nice 18-25yo man, healthy, fit and hairless in the assumed position will always pulse my heart – and I am fortunate enough to continue to enjoy these young men – I am only repeating Greek history.
I’m a 54 years old man and my boyfriend is 25. We both live in Jakarta (I’m European and he is Indonesian) and have had a steadily growing relationship for more than a year culminating in us moving together in our own house now and hopefully soon marriage. I’ve been married twice before in Europe (with women), but during my 10 years here in Jakarta, Indonesia, I discovered and developed my gay-side, and when he came along, he sort of “pulled me all the way over”. No resistance from me. He is the sweetest, smartest and most gorgeous person, I’ve ever met – and the feeling is mutual. We’ve never had any controversy of any kind – our love is just growing day by day.
Actually, he started at a very young age with his attraction for older men – he was ten, and we’ve speculated what would have happened if we met back then. Pure speculation, obviously, as we didn’t, but sort of an interesting thought-experiment. He is an extraordinarily loving young man with a history very different from mine, and our relationship is full of deep conversation and ideas – for example we’ll start his business next week – and I’ll give him all the space and support he needs, as he is extremely capable at what he does. We fit like hand in glove, and none of us has ever met someone that we want so badly in all ways or fit so well with.
In Indonesia being gay is still controversial due to prude religion – that’s not to say that there are no gays here, however 🙂 And my beautiful boyfriend has, indeed, lived a life where denial was part of reality – well, no more – he is home and safe now! Why does he prefer older men? None of us can answer that – but we have, obviously, debated the issue on and on.
Whatever the reason, we cannot wait to put rings on each other’s fingers and live happily ever after 🙂
Congratulations! It sounds like a wonderful relationship for you both. Best wishes for a long and very happy marriage! Jim, the blogger